I just found out the Focus doesn't get the 1.5/1.6L Turbo in the US

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09/29/2016 at 23:33 • Filed to: None

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Other countries get it and I really thought we did after the face lift but we strangely don’t. I just think it’s weird that they still use the NA 2.0L as the middle power engine instead of offering similar engines all in the same markets.

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I mean 180 hp and 180 lb/ft in a Focus would be a pretty good time, especially if the ST twins and the RS are any indication.


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Kinja'd!!! Svend > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
09/30/2016 at 00:15

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Do you get diesels?

In the U.K. we get:-

1.5 TDCi 120PS S6 6 Speed Powershift

1.5 TDCi 120PS S6 6 Speed Manual

1.5 TDCi 95PS S6 6 Speed Manual

2.0 TDCi 150PS S6 6 Speed Powershift

2.0 TDCi 150PS S6 6 Speed Manual

2.0 TDCi 185PS S6 6 Speed Powershift

2.0 TDCi 185PS S6 6 Speed Manual

1.5 TDCi 105PS S6 6 Speed Manual

1.6 105PS S6 5 Speed Manual

1.5T EcoBoost 150PS S6 6 Speed Automatic

1.5T EcoBoost 150PS S6 6 Speed Manual

1.5T EcoBoost 182PS S6 6 Speed Automatic

1.5T EcoBoost 182PS S6 6 Speed Manual

1.0T EcoBoost 125PS S6 6 Speed Automatic

1.0T EcoBoost 125PS S6 6 Speed Manual

1.0T EcoBoost 100PS S6 5 Speed Manual

2.0 EcoBoost 250PS S6 6 Speed Manual

2.3 EcoBoost 350PS 6 Speed Manual

1.6 85PS S6 5 Speed Manual

1.0T EcoBoost 100PS S6 5 Speed Manual

I not sure about Europe and the rest of the world but it’s a good range of engines for us.


Kinja'd!!! Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > Svend
09/30/2016 at 00:18

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God I wish! My wife and I are crazy excited about the Equinox and Cruze getting a diesel option. There are very few diesel options that aren’t heavy duty pickup trucks in the US


Kinja'd!!! Nick Has an Exocet > Svend
09/30/2016 at 00:31

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Nope, nope, and nope.

2.0L Ti-VCT I-4 Flex Fuel in Sedan or Hatch with 5-speed manual or 6 speed automatic.

1.0L EcoBoost® I-3 in Sedan or Hatch with 5-speed manual or 6 speed automatic or optional 6-speed manual.

Electric Hatch.

ST 2.0L Ti-VCT EcoBoost® I-4 with 6-speed manual

RS 2.3L Ti-VCT EcoBoost® I-4 with 6-speed manual

Worth noting that each engine only comes in one power output each. There is no 100PS 1.0 here. Just the 123 horsepower (125PS).


Kinja'd!!! Svend > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
09/30/2016 at 00:40

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I’m assuming an Equinox is an SUV! We got America’s Ford Edge over here and it’s only available in the Duratorq 2.0 diesel manual and automatic.




Kinja'd!!! Svend > Nick Has an Exocet
09/30/2016 at 00:49

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We don’t get the sedan/saloon in the U.K. but they do in Europe.

I’d love to see what the U.S. would make of the 1.0T EcoBoost 125ps 6 speed manual Ford Fusion/Mondeo we get. The scorn in the dealerships would be priceless.


Kinja'd!!! Nick Has an Exocet > Svend
09/30/2016 at 00:51

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Haha. They already don’t like the Focus with it.

Not missing much with the sedan.


Kinja'd!!! Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > Svend
09/30/2016 at 00:54

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Diesels might start taking off soon. A lot of people are interested in them but so far only Chevy has plans for mass market in the US. Hopefully it works out


Kinja'd!!! Svend > Nick Has an Exocet
09/30/2016 at 00:58

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The last saloon we had was the Mk2 Focus and the last three do0r hatchback and cabriolet were the Focus Mk2.5.


Kinja'd!!! DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time > Svend
09/30/2016 at 01:01

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Duratorq is an awesome name, wish we had it :(


Kinja'd!!! Svend > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
09/30/2016 at 01:11

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I don’t think the whole VAG dieselgate situation helped the cause much. Lol.

The U.K. government after spending several years pushing for diesel sales is now a little reluctant to push them as much especially when smaller turbod petrol engines are doing so much better in terms of power and performance along with the emissions.

My Piglet is a 1.4TSi ACT which as a combined MPG (UK) of 58 (48 US) and I regularly get 50MPG UK around town and short motorway journeys.


Kinja'd!!! for Michigan > Svend
09/30/2016 at 01:19

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Oh wow, that’s intense. How do you even know what’s in any given car that you’re looking at?


Kinja'd!!! Svend > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time
09/30/2016 at 01:20

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Do your Ford Transits not come in diesel form? They should be Duratorq TDCi (Puma) engines.


Kinja'd!!! DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time > Svend
09/30/2016 at 01:23

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The transit has a diesel, but it’s called the powerstroke.

It’s 3.2 I5 turbo. Don’t know if that’s the same engine or not.

Edit: It also makes less torque than the V6 ecoboost that’s also an option. I guess that’s why they don’t call it the Duratorq.


Kinja'd!!! Svend > for Michigan
09/30/2016 at 01:31

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Well if you really wanted to know you could just search the registration number online and it tells you what it is but often there are cues to what it is such as an RS logo for 2.3, TDCi logo for diesel but not what engine size, the ST logo only came in 2.0 petrol or diesel, the ST-Line is 1.5 petrol or diesel, ST Red Edition and Black Edition is 1.5 ecoboost or 2.0 diesel, Titanium is 1.0 and 1.5 petrol and 1.5 and 2.0 diesel, etc... but generally most people don’t care unless they are going out to buy a car and normally don’t care if they are sat behind it in traffic.


Kinja'd!!! Svend > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time
09/30/2016 at 01:39

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The larger unit the 3.2 is a modified Duratorq engine for North America where they call it the Powerstroke to meet North American emissions.

There are a couple of smaller Transits you don’t get like the Custom and Courier but I don’t believe we get a V6 in any of them.

If I’m correct, I don’t think Ford do a V6 for any of their range. I could be wrong but from first glance I can’t see any.


Kinja'd!!! bhtooefr > Svend
09/30/2016 at 03:09

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Yes, the current Equinox is a relative of the Opel Antara.

Not sure what the new one will be, it’s on the new Cruze/Astra platform, but I don’t think a European relative is out (and with Chevrolet pulling out of Europe, there may not be an Opel relative - the Buick relative that one would be based on is the Buick Envision, but the Envision is bigger than the 2018 Equinox).


Kinja'd!!! bhtooefr > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
09/30/2016 at 03:11

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I suspect that diesel’s really done in the US now - there’ll be the odd niche market thing that gets forgotten about, there’ll be some heavy duty trucks (but gasoline is on the rise - even semis are getting spark ignited natural gas engines), but...


Kinja'd!!! bhtooefr > Svend
09/30/2016 at 03:15

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Whereas your (full-size) Transits tend to be 2.2 diesels, right?

Also, our Transit Connects are 2.5 Duratec I4 or 1.6T EcoBoost I4 gasoline. Some configurations are 2.5-only - it’s the lower-tech engine, but IIRC similar horsepower, and less to go wrong (less low-end torque, though, so the mandatory 6-speed automatic will need to work more).

Keep in mind that in the US, many (especially fleet managers, due to unreliable diesels as of late) don’t trust diesel, and we also demand more engine performance than you do (partially to get through the automatic transmissions we demand, partially because our road designs for things like merging onto the freeway (which even a pure city vehicle is expected to do here, freeways cut through the middle of cities here) are terrible, and partially because everyone’s used to fast vehicles being the norm. So, a 2.5 Duratec I4 wouldn’t be enough for the full-size Transit here, you’d need the 2.3T EcoBoost out of the Mustang or Focus RS to get adequate performance... or you use the cheaper 3.7 Duratec V6 for fairly similar performance (and that’s what they did). Then there’s the 3.5 EcoBoost V6 for the high power option, or the 3.2 “PowerStroke” I5 diesel for the diesel option to stop those that do want a diesel from buying a Sprinter.


Kinja'd!!! bhtooefr > Svend
09/30/2016 at 03:30

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Our engine choices in the Fusion are:

2.5 Duratec I4, 175 hp/175 lb-ft, 6-speed torque converter automatic

1.5T EcoBoost I4, 181 hp/185 lb-ft, 6-speed torque converter automatic

2.0T EcoBoost I4, 245 hp/275 lb-ft, 6-speed torque converter automatic

2.7T EcoBoost V6, 325 hp/380 lb-ft, 6-speed torque converter automatic

2.0 Duratec I4 Atkinson cycle, 141 hp/129 lb-ft, plus 47 hp from the electric motor for 188 total hp (although I’m pretty sure the specs on the Energi plug-in hybrid are wrong, and you can get more than 47 hp from that one in EV Now mode), power split transmission (e-CVT)

No diesels, nothing smaller than 1.5 liter. About 170 hp is the least you can sell a car of that class with in the US market, unless it’s a diesel, then you need at least 140 hp, ideally more. Note that even the hybrid ends up having 188 hp.

For comparison, its main competition in the US:

Camry, 2.5 I4, 178 hp/170 lb-ft, 6-speed torque converter automatic

Camry V6, 3.5 V6, 268 hp/248 lb-ft, 6-speed torque converter automatic

Camry Hybrid, 2.5 I4 Atkinson cycle, 156 hp/156 lb-ft, plus 44 hp from the electric motor for 200 total hp, power split transmission (e-CVT)

Accord, 2.4 I4, 185 hp/181 lb-ft, 6-speed manual or CVT

Accord V6, 3.5 v6, 278 hp/252 lb-ft, 6-speed automatic

Accord Hybrid, 2.0 I4, 143 hp/129 lb-ft, plus 69 hp from the electric motor for 212 total hp, serial hybrid plus clutch to engage 1 speed for certain operating modes (effectively drives like an e-CVT)


Kinja'd!!! duurtlang > bhtooefr
09/30/2016 at 04:24

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The Ford Fusion in Europe is named the Mondeo, and is available in 3 body styles; wagon, hatchback and sedan. Wagon is easily the most common (where I live).

Engines in my market for the Mondeo:

1.0 Ecoboost. Manual
1.5 Ecoboost. Manual and auto
2.0 Ecoboost. Auto
2.0 Ecoboost 240 hp. Auto.
Hybrid. 188 hp.
1.5 TDCi (TDCi=diesel). Manual and auto
2.0 TDCi. Manual and auto. Optional AWD on the manual.
2.0 TDCi 180 hp. Manual and auto. Optional AWD on the auto.
2.0 TDCi BiTurbo. Auto.

Engines above 2.0 liter have become rare nowadays. Everything has a turbo. True high performance versions on a mundain barge like the Mondeo have become rare as well. Whoever spends that much (including fuel) on a car buys something nicer, something German or Volvo or maybe Jaguar.

Now that the US Fusion and EU Mondeo are one and the same the Mondeo isn’t as good to drive anymore anyway, reviewers say.


Kinja'd!!! bhtooefr > duurtlang
09/30/2016 at 05:23

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I still suspect that, as the European emissions regulations ratchet down in the wake of Dieselgate (especially with Euro 6c’s introduction of gasoline particulate number regulations, and the phase-in of WLTP and RDE), the turbo trend will be backed off of, at least for normal cars - real-world, it doesn’t really help fuel economy compared to some other technologies, it hurts reliability, and it hurts emissions performance.

For that matter, direct injection isn’t helping emissions either, and there’s also intake valve deposit issues that direct injection has, unless you do what Toyota DI vehicles have, and also have a port injection system.

And, annoyingly, we only get the sedan, even though the liftback is the same damn roofline. (Basically, in 2016, I’m of the opinion that the sedan needs to die, and be replaced with the liftback. All of the cargo versatility of the hatchback, with better aerodynamics, and looks that satisfy American demands.)


Kinja'd!!! duurtlang > bhtooefr
09/30/2016 at 05:42

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I’m very sceptical about all these so called eco engines we get in Europe. My conpany car 2013 Ford Focus wagon with the then mid range 1.6 turbodiesel with its start-stop system, special aerodynamic hubcaps and very long 6 speed gearbox is hardly more economical in the real world than the just as roomy 1980s Citroën BX 1.9 diesel with 300K+ on the odometer I had. Quicker, more refined, quieter (and less comfortable and more appliance-like), sure, but not significantly more economical in real life. Yet, on paper, the Focus excels in economy.

I really hope the new fuel economy test we’re going to get in Europe will be representative of real world conditions. An end to all the downsizing and turbocharging would be welcome. I’m all for improving economy and reducing harmful emissions, but ony if it actually works in the real world.


Kinja'd!!! bhtooefr > duurtlang
09/30/2016 at 07:02

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Part of the problem that you all have now is that NEDC left a lot of loopholes in, some of them introduced later by manufacturer lobbying, some of them in there due to poor design. As the standards got stricter, automakers started exploiting more and more of the loopholes, rather than actually meeting the standards.

Here’s an example of one of the worst loopholes... so, fuel economy test cycles tend to use the results of a rolldown test - literally, getting a vehicle up to speed, and coasting down to a stop, and measuring how long that takes - as part of what determines dynamometer load for the fuel economy test cycle. A well-designed rolldown test will also require that the test be performed in two opposing directions, to cancel out the effects of wind and a not perfectly flat test track. NEDC considers this, and does require that the test be performed in two opposing directions, and even has a maximum slope for the test track... but automakers figured out how to cheat the rolldown test anyway. See, NEDC didn’t require that the two opposing directions be on the same piece of road . So, there are test tracks in Europe that are downhill both ways, at the maximum slope allowed by the NEDC. This obviously reduces load that the dyno places on the vehicle.

Other loopholes include: taping over seams for the rolldown test, disabling daytime running lights even though they’re mandatory during the dyno test, running thinner engine oil than specified during the dyno test (although, as Volkswagen found out, it does actually have to be engine oil, you can’t replace the oil with diesel fuel), running maximum sidewall tire pressure during the rolldown test (as Volkswagen found out, you can’t go above that, but you can go above what the sticker says), and other stunts like that.

Oh, and then you’ve got your emissions laws. As far as I’m aware, if you don’t go into a certain operating regime (like, say, over 25% throttle) in the NEDC test, you’re allowed to do whatever you want outside of that operating regime. This is contrasted with American laws, where if you change emissions strategies for any reason, you must declare that change to the US EPA, accurately state what the impact of that strategy change is (even if it’s a positive impact, you’re still required to ask for permission), and the EPA must approve that. (Now, sometimes the EPA may approve an AECD that they really shouldn’t have - like the boost enrichment under heavy load on the 3.5 EcoBoost V6 in the F-150 - but Ford had to ask for that, at least.)

And, yes, the manufacturers lobbied for all of that stuff to be included in WLTP, too. I believe, as a direct result of the research ICCT commissioned, and some of DUH’s lawsuits, that got abandoned.


Kinja'd!!! Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > bhtooefr
09/30/2016 at 08:54

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I don’t know, Ford, GM, and FCA are all announcing diesel options in the next few years. I think they are testing the market, seeing if people want them


Kinja'd!!! Svend > bhtooefr
09/30/2016 at 10:11

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We have the

Ford Fiesta van which is available in 1.25, 1.5 and 1.6TDCi engines.

Ford Courier van which is available in 1.0 petrol and 1.5 and 1.6TDCi.

Ford Transit Connect van which is available in 1.0 petrol and 1.6TDCI (three engine PS ranges).

Ford Transit Custom van which is available in 2.2TDCi (three engine PS ranges).

Ford Transit (full size) van which is available in 2.2TDCi (three engine PS ranges).

The only one with a 3.2TDCi engine is the Ford Ranger which is available in 2.2 (two engine PS ranges) and the 3.2TDCi.